On the Boks Unpacked podcast, Fourie du Preez and Schalk Burger revisited the 2009 Lions series — and du Preez had a characteristically understated way of settling old scores. Never a chirpy scrum-half by nature, he says he let results do the talking against Phillips, and the math is simple: he never lost against Wales. The more entertaining moment comes from Burger, who recalls Bakkies Botha defusing a potentially explosive confrontation with Phillips in the Pretoria Test by complimenting the Welshman on his blue eyes — leaving Phillips utterly baffled. It's a light but enjoyable window into the internal culture of that 2-1 series-winning Bok side, and the personalities that made them so formidable.