The standout moment of this episode is Martin Devlin recounting the post-match press conference at Ellis Park, where Rassie Erasmus — unprompted — identified Devlin by face, referenced the podcast, and called him "a very interesting person." Devlin admits the moment reduced him to a schoolboy: "the only thing that came out of my mouth was what my parents said — thank you, sir." Beyond the anecdote, Devlin made a pointed tactical argument for the Cape Town test: he believes the All Blacks' real vulnerabilities — lineout execution, the high-ball contest, and a scrum that "was getting absolutely beasted" before the 56th-minute sliding-doors moment — are correctable, and that Dave Rennie flagging South Africa's alleged "walking around" at scrums publicly and unprompted signals a deliberate message to the referee. Devlin also argued that the 43-10 scoreline flattered the Springboks: with Ardie Savea's team playing 13 men at the end and several sliding-doors moments going against New Zealand, he insists the gap between the sides is razor-thin and that the All Blacks go into DHL Stadium as wounded, dangerous opponents rather than a side whose spirit has been broken.