To mark their 200th episode, Ari and Ringo spent half an hour unpacking the particular South African psyche around the All Blacks — the grudging aesthetic admiration, the Schadenfreude when they lose to Argentina, and the deeper irritation at the missionary zeal with which New Zealand rugby presents itself as the only morally correct way to play. Ringo made the pointed case that the 2015 All Blacks were held up as proof that expansive rugby is rugby's only legitimate form, when the stats show they kicked more than anyone in history — and that the Springboks scrumming Ireland into the ground is just as valid a form of dominance as a Beauden Barrett offload. Ari's sharper hate was reserved for the All Blacks' refusal to accept losses cleanly: "They have never lost a World Cup final, if you ask any New Zealander" — before conceding that South Africans are exactly the same about Bryce Lawrence.
What makes the episode worth a listen for Bok fans is the 2017 Newlands breakdown: Ringo's description of the two teams refusing to kick the ball dead for nearly 52 minutes of the second half — neither side willing to blink — captures something real about what this rivalry actually is, and sets the tone neatly for whatever the current series produces.