With Martin Devlin in the All Blacks corner, the Lekker Rugby Pod's most substantive Bok-relevant thread is the host's forensic dismantling of New Zealand's genuine reasons for optimism. Devlin argues the Rennie effect is real — pointing to Rico Ioane's resurgence, cleaner set-piece intent, and a squad depth that finally gives the All Blacks a credible bench conversation — and he flatly rejects the notion that the Springboks are undercooked, saying he doesn't believe for a second that Rassie leaves any stone unturned. The counter-argument, though, is where the episode earns its keep: the host makes the case that almost everything the All Blacks have looked good at — blindside attack, set-piece tries, line-out stealing — has been built against URC opposition that hadn't finished preseason contact training, and that contestable kicks are the glaring hole nobody in the New Zealand rugby media is discussing. He points out that across their last five or six matches the All Blacks have faced fewer than 15 contestable kicks in total, meaning Reuben Love and Cameron Roygaard are walking into Ellis Park having barely rehearsed the one weapon Rassie will use most. Layered onto that is the bench structure argument: where the Boks circulate near-equal quality across the tight five and backline, the All Blacks are still operating on a starter-then-reliever model — and they've been losing the final 20 minutes of tests against South Africa for the better part of two years.