The most interesting Springbok thread in this episode centres on Steve Hansen's claim that the Boks are "very beatable" if the All Blacks get their preparation right under Dave Rennie. Jean de Villiers acknowledged the point has merit — particularly around the Cape Town Test last year, where Hansen argued a reliable goal-kicker could have swung the result — but stopped well short of buying the narrative. JDV's broader take was that the numbers and performances from last year make it hard to see how New Zealand close the gap, and that a new coaching staff cuts both ways: fresh motivation for the players, but also fresh uncertainty. The hosts then went deep into an unexpectedly spicy side-discussion: what happens if the four-Test series ends 2-2? The suggestion of extra time or sudden death in Durban had all three panellists visibly uneasy, with JDV arguing that if it came to that, the home-series advantage South Africa enjoyed would morally complicate any tiebreaker outcome.